The same adapter fits the PPK/S (which I also checked out a while ago). Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. If it isnt already apparent, this is due to how faithfully the PPQ .22 mimics the real PPQ. Copper plated are just WAY cleaner. (I never tried mini mags, I assume those would work well, too.). I ride the trigger gently when shooting, and I had several unintentional double taps under recoil with the PPQ when shooting for speed. . (Thats all I brought with me.) Laugh. Did you clean the whole action well before shooting it to remove the packing grease? I couldnt resist how it felt in my hand, and oh what a magical trigger reset! Am I dreaming or not? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The bullets in question are actually plated, not jacketed. This video covers everything you need to know to problem solve and maintain your Walther PPQ. It gives me a very secure grasp on the pistol. One observation I found the medium grip felt the best in my hand, however, I only got acceptable target hits with it I switched to the larger palm swell it did not feel as comfortable as the medium ones but it became a tack driver! H&K VP9. Dirty pistol: Yet another reason for this malfunction is a dirty pistol. New Walther PPS M2 jamming with anything but brass. Its your standard .22 pistol fare, complete with open sides and thumb stud on the follower to enable easier loading. I will make it a point to try. Several times, the PPQ went back into its case grimy, dirty and/or wet before I had the chance to wipe it down and clean it. Dirty pistol: If your pistol is not properly cleaned and maintained, it can fail to fire. Average 5-shot group size is 1.77 inches. The 4-inch PPQ M2 barrel will fit in both frame sizes, but only when mated to 4-inch slides. Another malfunction you might face with your PPQ pistol is the failure to extract. They arent as expensive as HK mags but they do have the market cornered and you pay for that. To say one is better than the other is just going to come down to what you like personally. He lives outside of Austin, TX. Haha. I thought these days that stuff was for cartridge collectors only. decent sights, or replaceable ones. If I had to choose between the PPQ and the VP9 I would take the PPQ every time. KY Gun Co has had em in stock: http://www.kygunco.com/walther-ppq-m2-22lr-12rd-magazine-73229. I have yet to hear any major reliability issues from other people as well. But, on the other hand, I shot mine for years before this ever started to happen. They sent me a new slide in stainless/nickle and my gun in army green and black. That is the one real big negative I had on the pistol, but Talon grips changed the grip big time and it actually grips and feels better than the PPQ in hand once this is done. Sometimes, this can happen when you take the sear housing assembly out of the pistol frame, and the trigger bar guide will come apart from the sear housing. Sold my Glock 19. It has a hair more creep and a very slightly longer reset and the reset is softer in noise level and feel its light but overall Id say that the differences arent easy to feel when shooting and that if youre familiar with one youll feel right at home on the other. This is the tactical version that comes with the thread adapter. How to properly maintain & trouble your Walther PPQ handgun hosted by Larry Vickers.Lets be friends on Social Media:https://www.facebook.com/WaltherArms/ htt. Good review. Not totally sure though. The PPQ fed about 100 rounds of WWB flawlessly. When you get a 9mm with muzzle flip like a 45, the only advantage youre left with is capacity. CCI standard velocity (the 40gr 1070 fps stuff) cycles reliably and appears to be the most accurate non-match ammo so Ive mainly used that. We have fired the SR22 and liked it, but the safety and slide are pretty stiff for my wife. But I did put a new slide spring in with no change. The mag release is easy to find and easy to press, and mags drop free. Might be a problem for somebody wanting to use the centerfire PPQ defensively or in competition, but not very likely to matter at all on the .22 plinker. Put Trijicon Orange Dot HD night sights and a Crimson Trace green Railmaster Pro, and you have the Ultimate Home Defense rig. Improper hand placement: Improper hand placement is the most common cause of this malfunction. I have one of these and the 22LR version. The trigger is the finest ever on a polymer, striker-fired handgun. With its stellar accuracy and reliability, amazing ergos, and with how quiet and easy it is to shoot suppressed, the fun factor is way high here and that is why the only thing going home to Walther in this case is a check. Walther PPQ M2 Navy 9mm. Ive put this pistol through a variety of conditions and all I see are a couple of very light scratches that take concentration to be noticed. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Walther PPQ Review Grip/Ergonomics. In under 1k rds the slide cracked. Weak magazine release spring: This means that as you are shooting, the spring is so weak that your grip interferes with the button and depresses it. This by the way, is where the PPQ meets its major roadblock. Its too bad. I was Shooting my PPQ last week and i was having problems with it not loading rounds properly. Im working in reverse order and am very interested in the .22 version. The magazine release is also handy; Walther switched from the paddle release in order to appeal to the American shooting market, and by all means I feel they made the right choice. Weak recoil spring: You can also have this issue if your gun has a weak recoil spring. Ive not been back to the range since my second opportunity, where I used the M22 and the two CCI types, therefore I cant say more than I did in my update on November 2nd. I'll double check the Walther forum. They were pretty quick getting me an rma with a prepaid FedEx label, though I missed it for a few weeks because it was filtered to a folder I didnt check. Lets not forget just how great of a pistol the P99 is thou. At a pretty consistent 4.25 lbs, the trigger requires just a bit less force than the 9mm PPQ we tested, which came in at 4.75 lbs. Dirty chamber: Another probable cause for this malfunction is that the chamber is dirty. Ammo-sensitive. That trigger might be good for a safe-action polymer gun, but it doesnt compare to a decent SA trigger, like a CZ, 1911, or Sig. If that notch is deformed or taken off, it will not engage it. However, the PPQ is significantly more ergonomic, carries the same magazine capacity (15 rounds), is easier to disassemble, truly ambidextrous, and above all, has that dream like trigger. Aguila standard vel. The grip form and texture are superior to Glocks. 9mm Pistol, http://www.kygunco.com/walther-ppq-m2-22lr-12rd-magazine-73229. We love how there's now threaded versions and also versions that come with a laser. I just recently picked up a new Walther PPS M2 LE when gun buyers had their sale and I absolutely love the gun so far. So it would fire, it just wouldn't reset itself to accept the next round. The straightforward fix to this is to clean your chamber. The Walther CCP M2 trigger has a short .27 travel and a short reset point. Now I have to go hunt one down for my AR. I was very close to a Mark III or Buck Mark. It has a molded polymer receiver and . Timing is everything. They are pretty darn similar if you set them next to each other. Over the years, Ive shot a very wide variety of semi-autos in all calibers and sizes, and have never once had an inadvertent double tap. And i also say that once the 3 stage trigger is mastered on the P99 it operationally is better than the PPQ. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Defective trigger assembly: This problem also occurs when the trigger assembly of your PPQ is defective. M&P 22s are still made by Walther in Germany for Smith. Short answer: Yes to both questions. Total Points = 95 out of 100 possible. Wife shoots PPQ-M2 9mm 4" in IDPA and it has not given her any problems in many 1000s of rounds. No problems with mine at all. Discover now the best deals and amazing prices. The M1 is the German original and I got used to it over night! I can only imagine that the 5 version with its longer sight radius and fiber optic front (something Im used to from my competition gun) would be even better not that it would matter under like 30 yards, where I feel like Im basically incapable of missing with the PPQ .22. Ive long been too timid to say it, but yes, agree. Obviously, no gun is truly perfect. Anyway, I like the PPQ, and I like the P7 the CCP copies (poorly). If that were the case then my Neos wouldnt work, and neither would the Glock conversions. Any firearm that requires you to pull the trigger for dis-assembly/cleaning is just plain stupid. Use as home defense is beyond question useful. The slide is not in the battery: One probable cause of this malfunction is that the slide is not in the battery. So far, the PPQ has yet to suffer a single jam or malfunction. Dirty cambers or feed ramp: This problem can also occur when the chamber, the feed ramp, or both are dirty. Until I see shelves consistently stocked full of bricks, I wouldnt consider buying another .22. The whole reason people choose 9mm over 45acp is because you can get more hits on target faster with less training. After that, lubricate it for the given environment. I suppose it is a quality control issue, with the slide,rear sight alignment: I too have the issue with the rear sight almost out beyond the edge of the frame dovetail to get centered on target at 10 yardsmy 9mm P99 had no such issue at all. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Walther took perhaps its biggest step forward in 1997 with the pioneering P99. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Walther PPQ M2 X/XS F8 Night Sights 9mm. It was all over. I have heard of a few guys who have over 40,000 rounds . Accounts of this are all over the internet. For long-term durability a steel breech block, containing the firing pin mechanism, extractor, breech face, etc is pinned into the slide. Wow. Its all going to come down to trigger really. PPQ M2,and PPS M2here. I know that during WWII, Remington/UMC made corrosive-primed .22 LR FMJ for the War Department. Press down on both sides of the take-down catch. Unless the operator is unaware or ignorant of firearm safety. The only thing I can think is that that slightly smaller palm swell allowed the pistol to rotate in my hand causing the variation. No pistol has as shorter trigger pull than a 1911. In fact i have yet to find any pistol on earth that isnt a 1911 that has a shorter reset than the P99 AS. I will never ever buy another Walther anything. Also Read: Best Sights for Walther PPQ M2. The solution to this is that you replace it. I had a choice of the M1 or M2. 1. Overall Length: 7.5 inches. Yes, the P99 was only the latest installment in the polymer-pistol world that GLOCK had established, and yes, it did notoriously (though temporarily) replace the timeless PPK as James Bonds sidearm to the polarized reactions of 007 fans. IIRC we did notice markings on the rim of the case to suggest this. Tap Slam the bottom of the magazine with the palm of your hand to ensure it is seated properly. The stainless steel construction is excellent. But there is an inaccuracy in this review. Plastic front sight so I guess it just got hung up on something and pulled out. True. These police are unionized. This particular PPQ is the M2 model, which was released in 2013. Below mentioned is the cause of this malfunction and its fix. I actually liked the look of the P22 adapter I had on hand much better than the included one, which was larger and spaced farther from the muzzle, so Ive been running it instead and it appears in most of the photos here. The P99 may have found noteworthy success among militaries and police departments around the world, but it just didnt catch on in the good old USA when compared to some other pistols. Archived. To prevent this issue, get a firm platform. I purchased an additional 15-round magazine for $42, and from what Ive found, they sell for roughly the same price around the country. Ive had mine since May. Having diverse .45s and a Glock 20 (with an extra .40cal barrel), I went with the PPQ. Your PPQ will serve you well for years! I usually carry a G30S, but sub in the PPQ occasionally, since it fits my 30S holsters very well and draws about the same to first pair. There is about a hundred dollars more for the FN 502. Ive managed to run about 8 brands of ammo through it, from high velocity premium stuff to cheap, dirty bulk stuff, some with waxed lead bullets and some with jacketed round nose and jacketed hollow points, and the PPQ has cycled it all. Overpowered ammunition: The overpowered ammo will blow the slide back so hard that it will engage the slide stop. Width:1.3 But other, stronger shooters easily repeat the issue. I love love love me a good Walther PPQ, although I completely disagree with you on the button mag release. For cost reasons I am unable to invest in buying thousands of rounds just to test the PPQ to its limits. I haven't had any problem with printing even with my "slight" frame. The first 2 mags were great, for the rest, in every mag I had some sort issue- failure to feed the next round, where I had to drop the mag and clear the unspent/jammed round. 'Classic' here, no problems. Plus, the build quality inspires a higher level of confidence than the zinc alloy, farmed-out-to-a-BB-gun-factory norm. Oh, make sure its empty and in a safe direction. I never see Walther anything at any local gunstores. And so on. I have 2 M&P 40s, full size and compact, but wanted a decent 9. I had recent PPQ M2 that was totally unreliable. Squib load: You need to clear your barrel to get rid of squib load. Not machined aluminum. Hannah Anderson is a gun enthusiast. It will replace my 4" PPQs. 5. Dirty chamber mouth: If the mouth of the chamber is dirty, it can cause the failure to return to the battery. Feels like a pretty standard 5-6.5lbs. I haven't heard of any breaking, at all. I was shooting Winchester Ranger ammunition .40 S&W 165 grain. Clean and lubricate your PPQ to avoid this problem. You may or may not regard them as show-stoppers. Thin barrels is also pretty standard for many .22s on the market. So far thats 100% not the case here. Everyone who has shot it is amazed. I am happy with this. Try a spare magazine, repair or replace it. Not so fast. As a .45-aholic, I once felt compelled to add a 9mm item. yea, a slide fracture on a .22 caliber pistol. One question: 4. Twenty-two years later, the company had produced their first pistol, the Model 1 in 6.35mm. Even with that, Id say Walther PPQ trigger easily the best on the market, EVEN when you compare its trigger with awesome trigger of single-action Sig 1911, the famously crisp and smooth one. Im going to go with keep the ramp polished. Action: semi-automatic, locked breech, short recoil operated. With the hammer down theres more resistance to cycling the slide, but its still quite a bit less than on your typical centerfire pistol. Replace the recoil spring assembly to fix this issue. I replaced them with Trijicon HDs and it made a big difference. Not as happy with the 22LR version. Shooter-induced limp wristing: This problem can also occur due to limp wristing. Someone over at Walther said Hey the Americans like little chunks of plastic sticking out of the frame and was greated with Ok lets dril a hole in the frame and give them a button. For a gun that flows so well the button just feels out of place and the plastic they made it out of looks and feels cheap. Now, she shares her passion and immense knowledge on the subject with the readers. Great review. Also, there are many options for aftermarket sights for a Walther PPQ. However, another reason is if somebody rides a slide forward while chambering the first round and doesnt apply enough force required to let the slide go. So, if you dryfire a lot, you have to have snap caps or dummy rounds to take that impact from the firing pin. Its red and sticky. Also had two failed to lock back on empty mag. Replace the ammunition for fixing this issue. Call S&W if you still have problems. Question of the Day: Should Disguising a Real Gun as a Toy be Illegal? I will never part with this firearm. Trigger - Score: 9. I found this a little disappointing since it could affect that person whos seriously using this as a less-expensive-to-shoot practice tool for their centerfire PPQ. The PPQ also has a trigger safety and internal safeties as well as a loaded chamber indicator, an oversize magazine release that can be reversed for left-handed operation and of particular interest where performance is concerned, Walther's Quick Defense Trigger, a super smooth squeezing trigger with a light 5.6-pound trigger pull (mine actually fired at just under that), less than a half . I put my G19 on a shelf in preference of the PPQ M1. I stand corrected. Keeping it internal maintains the same external appearance of the pistol. I hate when I shoot a lot of .22 LR and my thumb has a giant lead streak on it from loading bare lead bullets. Torn between a suppressor ready 4 and a 5 with the better front sight and longer sight radius. The pistol is too heavily lubricated: When your pistol is too heavily lubricated, it can cause failure to return to battery. Ive shot a PPQ several times and feel it is one of the finest, if not the finest, polymer pistol available, but the trigger is my only complaint and thats what stopped me from buying one. This pistol, in various forms (mostly without the lighter trigger) is the most common police pistol today across northern Europe. Around 3000 rounds in less than a year on mine and still loving it. Ive even gone as far as worrying about the olgive on the ammo I buy. I also put lots of bare lead or waxed lead through the PPQ. Why wouldnt I just get a plentiful new or used GLOCK brand GLOCK for less $? Thanks for the info. And its not a lack of trigger discipline. Walther calls it the quick-defense trigger. Below are the causes of this problem and their solutions. The PPQ has a 100% pre-cocked trigger thereby making it Single Action. I consistently hit a 10 inch plate at this distance using Remington Viper ammunition. You anti-trigger-pull people must hate dry firing for practice then? Seems like you would want a quicker reset for a defense gun What do I know? The latest generation is now called the P22 Q and comes in a bunch of colors and variants. Federal is a lighter charge like UMC, and some guns have problems with it. Question of the Day: Do You Know Any Fudds? Rested groups are definitely solid but nothing exemplary. It feels very good and the reset is wonderful. I agree with the description of the grip. I have never seen anybody other than a new shooter double tap with 1911 or Browning Hi Power. I took the three supplied magazines, added the Taylor Freelance extended base pads and started shooting. The P99 was great and never jammed, but I traded it in because I wanted a standard light rail (which the P99 still does not provide even after 3 generations). In 1886, they were a simple German manufacturer of target and hunting rifles. Even though Im right handed, I practice shooting with my left as much as I can. The rounds seem to eject and feed fine, looking at the ejection port when the slide is stuck doesnt seem to reveal any issues there. Slide feels a bit smoother, hopefully it will shoot fine. Walther said that is all they had because the gun (original version) is no longer made. The review mentions jacketed round nose and jacketed hollow point ammunition. Walther PPQ M2 Q5 Match 9mm . Like I mentioned earlier, with the trigger being so smooth, I can deliver faster follow up shots accurately. Compared to the Beretta 92-series, GLOCKs, Smith & Wessons M&P line, or Springfield XDs, the PPQ is simply lacking in this department. Here are the different types of gun malfunctions and what to do about them: Squib Load. Obviously the 12-round mags are approximately 20% more fun than your typical 10-round mags, and this helps to make the PPQ M2 .22 LR insanely fun to shoot overall. 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