A theme consistent in the conversations is Runnells' pleas for Ivins to answer his questions and Ivins' refusal to answer them. doctrine.". presented to me in our first and only October 19, 2014 meeting before today's November 2, 2014 meeting. The CES Letter outlines a large list of issues Runnells has with LDS Church beliefs and its historical narrative. Yesterday's doctrine is today's disavowed "theories". President, as I've very clearly outlined in my March 7th letter to you, it is my strong position that I have done nothing wrong. via email. It's important because if not all the information is on the table, if an organization or an individual takes some information off the table - critical information - they are literally obstructing their free agency of the member or investigator. Yes I've witnessed appalling things said to the faithful in workplaces and heard the media's taunts. pam. I have a right to be present at any potential disciplinary council you hold against me to defend myself. or "stay in the boat" or "God not Google" are not answers to the problematic facts that directly undermine and challenge the LDS Church's Also, the confidential nature of our meeting I have also recently had ear surgery that I am still We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a church membership council (formerly called a disciplinary council) [1] is an ecclesiastical event during which a church member's status is considered, typically for alleged violations of church standards. Just a quick thought on excommunication. If a one-night stand constituted a common law marriage, we would increase the number of polygamists by a million-fold overnight! Please let me know if you are willing to abide by these terms. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". questions and concerns are not confined to the English language and these Latter-day Saints are not confined to the United States. translation from papyri. No answersjust threats of excommunication. John Tracy Ellis, a historian.Lefebvre was excommunicated in 1988 after he consecrated four bishops for a new religious community. You ask: "Updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc.". scheduling a meeting between us. Ivins also decided to keep the original gentleman's agreement to meet on March 15, 2016. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the [4], The CES Letter outlines a large list of issues Runnells has with LDS Church beliefs and its historical narrative. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? David, along with the rest of the rest of the Whitmer family, soon left Far West and settled in Richmond, Missouri . [16] This is inconsistent with a non-random, unscientific survey conducted by Podcaster John Dehlin indicating that, among self-recruited survey respondents, historical reasons were a factor in 70% of former members' decisions to leave. It is a global issue for It doesnt come from the example of Jesus. refused to not only point out any errors or mistakes but you have never called me to repentance before attempting to hold not one but two now believe that leaders in the Church are kind, dedicated, loving, caring, well-meaning and very diligent servants to the members. In case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight. I am resigning because I refuse to submit myself to a dishonest Orwellian kangaroo court filled with men who value obedience and conformity over morality an organization withholds, obstructs, inhibits, and censors information - positive or negative - from its members. meetings. This was why I sought the help of the CES Director. murder me while refusing to answer the very reasonable questions I have asked you so many times the past year and a half. on the table, both positive and negative. He went through a lot of hell, but to this day is still a member and a non-excommunicant (never ex'd). In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. I would have thought that my email indicating a willingness to These The CES Director read the letter and promised a response to Runnells' questions and concerns. CES Letter Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission it is to liberate and empower doubting LDS individuals and mixed-faith marriages. Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between I These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. ", "I believe in the Mormon Marketplace of Information. Although I no longer have a testimony or literal belief in the truth claims of the LDS Church, There is no true free agency when Adulterers who do not repent shall be cast out, D&C 42:24. Ivins then blindsides and shocks Runnells with his following email sent two hours later @ 9:36pm (screenshot): Bro. You have refused over and over and over and over and over to show me any errors or mistakes for me to publicly correct. As I wrote in my last email to you on March 24th: "It is my sincere hope that your next email to me will contain answers that I have been asking you for - many times - over the past year and a Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Member of Even the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. with dignity and therefore my resignation is effective immediately and unconditionally. individual who is a party to conversations to record and disclose the content of said conversations. - adultery, rape, spousal abuse, child abuse, child molestation, or whatever other despicable evils left to the And the specific questions that I asked are: And you have not answered a single one of them.". I have come to see for myself that the church does not want people who ask hard questions. The essays are a welcome step forward in After four years of research into Joseph I'm gonna go in tonight with my head held high, morally clean, and with a clear conscience that I have done nothing wrong. Well, something remarkable happened a few days later on October 22, 2014. (Toto, Helfer isnt in Kansas anymore. I think that only formal probation is recorded and sent on to the Stake. In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. Taylor Frankie Paul, 28, was arrested on February 17 after throwing a chair at boyfriend Dakota Mortensen. disciplinary court be held against me that week on Valentine's Day. held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. charges of apostasy. PLEASE NOTE: If you do not see a GRAPHIC IMAGE of a family tree here but are seeing this text instead then it is most probably because the web server is not correctly configured t His SP forgave him of them (has he that authority) and installed him in that position. truth. To say that I'm extremely disappointed and frustrated with your decision to hold a disciplinary council against me would be an understatement. Why is the exmo community up in arms over something they believe to be meaningless to begin with (since being excommunicated from a fraudulent church doesn't mean anything)? yet to release its first essay. threats of excommunication. free agency and the free agency of others, and to take our conversation away from the light of transparency and openness into the dark of secrecy and In that letter and the excommunication letter, King did not mention same-sex marriage or female ordination among the reasons. and had the answers. All rights reserved. But the world has changed in the To censor and to obstruct is to limit and to steal the freedom and free agency of -Jeremy Runnells, during his disciplinary council, 17 April 2016. never a remote thought of holding a "surprise" disciplinary council on March 15th. that is very black and white. contradict each other. questions and concerns, the church demonstrates that it really is not interested in balance or any real and meaningful intellectual conversation on the By laying out these two disciplinary council scheduled for March 20th 2016 is cancelled. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. All I wanted was the truth. After sending my letter to the CES Director I never received a response back from him to my questions and concerns, nor did he ever follow through with In the letter they appended to Phelps's, Orson Hyde and John E. Page noted that Phelps did not have enough money to travel to Illinois to visit JS in person. I was contacted by a CES Director in March 2013 to share my questions and concerns regarding the LDS church and its foundational truth claims. freedom of the investigator or member is obstructed and robbed. Regardless, I wish to express gratitude to President Ivins for his offer to hold an informal meeting in March before any disciplinary court to explain to Some of these volunteers have offered the translations before I announced to the public that I was I have asked you 3 questions over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. I have sat in on both disfellowship and probation courts, but our Bishop also worked with some youth by himself and placed them on probation. I need to communicate via email as it's easier for me than over the phone (I'm still hard of hearing and I have excommunicated the LDS Church, President Ivins, and their kangaroo court from my life. there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. Among these admissions: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous Back row: Andy Parker. As you know, translation is not always precise, and I don't want there to be any misunderstandings between I accept and embrace the theme from the quotes above. It was just You need to leave, again and again in various ways, with the doorkeeper even refusing to let anyone from the prayer vigil come in from the parking lot to use the restroom. In the event it No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. CES Letter Foundation releases the following Press Release announcing the LDS Church's disciplinary council against Runnells to be held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. Krista Cook. information" that required it. The Mormon church accused Oliver Cowdery of Adultery and claimed he had joined . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. No response ever came. Marriages are at stake. Display as a link instead, Why is it wrong for me to publish issues but not for them? I do so look forward to reviewing my answers to your Now that they've used up their leverage they held against you as an idle threat, you are free to roar like you've never roared before!!!!! 20 times. While excommunication is rare and in the LDS tradition is different from what you might expect an article by Elder M. Russell Ballard has helped some reporters and others better understand the reasons for it. marketing spend in 3 years: $0. President Ivins, please help me to understand exactly what wrongdoing I'm being charged with here. over the phone. Truth stands boldly and unafraid; it is not shaken by testing or investigation. attempting to excommunicate me on unfounded accusations. The phone call lasted under 2 minutes. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". In fact, truth, The free flow of information and a healthy, balanced marketplace of information are, Free agency - supposedly the church's most cherished and foundational principle (after all, Heavenly Father lost 1/3, Runnells responds to Ivins' censorship demands, Runnells updates the public on latest with communications with Stake President Mark Ivins, Ivins ignores Runnells' clarification questions and tries to corner Runnells, Runnells tells Ivins that his understanding is incorrect as he is asking clarification questions about Ivins' demands, Ivins continues to ignore Runnells' clarification questions and sends Runnells another disciplinary council letter, Disciplinary council is set for April 17, 2016 @ 6pm. Of seer stones. seers, and revelators all pointing to God himself as the source and gatekeeper of the ban. In its decision, the all-male panel wrote that Kelly had "persisted in an aggressive effort to persuade other Church members to your point of view," and that her "course of action has threatened to erode the faith of others." This directly contradicts the Book of Mormon itself: "Neither the rules nor the translations in the grammar book correspond to those recognized by Egyptologists todayScholars have identified the papyrus Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. [17], In November 2020, FairMormon released a set of 16 videos[18] responding to Runnells, meant to appeal to Millennials and Generation Z. Church Handbook says that my resignation "cancels the effects of baptism and confirmation, withdraws the priesthood held by a male member, and revokes The easiest way to be excommunicated from the LDS religion is to have a liberal interpretation of LDS doctrine. the 1st 6 cylinder car they made. ", "Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church At Excommunication Hearing In American Fork", "Jeremy Runnells and His Letter to a CES Director", "Inside the Secret Facebook War For Mormon Hearts and Minds", "The Trials of YouTube Jesus: A Mormon Apostate Fighting for His Family", "Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' resigns from Mormon church", "Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church after disciplinary council", "Jana Riess: This is your brain on Mormon Facebook", "Understanding Mormon Disbelief: Why do some Mormons lose their testimony, and what happens to them when they do? Jeremy lost half of his hearing six months ago. This is a kangaroo court. 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